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1273eAn Elementary Welsh Grammar” by John Morris-Jones (1864-1929), professor of Welsh at Coleg y Brifysgol (University College), Bangor. Published in 1921 (when he was aged 56 / 57). “This grammar deals with Modern Literary Welsh only. It follows the lines of my Welsh Grammar Historical and Compararive, 1913, so far as that treats of the modern language; but the matter has been largely re-written, and is in some respects more detailed.”   

The possessive determiners as follows:

LITERARY WELSH

SPOKEN WELSH

FY = my

YN

EIN = our

YN

DY = your (singular)

DY

EICH = your (plural)

YCH

EI = his

I

EI = her

I

EU = their

U

 

The spoken Welsh forms of EI and EU, EIN and EICH are different, though they are in fact the historical forms. The literary forms are spelling pronunciaitons. In the sixteenth century, it was supposed (erroniously) that the Latin form EIUS was the origin of the Welsh possessive determiners, and so new spellings were introduced to indicate this presumed Latin origin.

In the first person singular, YN is the spoken form.
In fact, both FY and YN derive from the British form *MIN,
and FY is a mutated form of earlier Welsh MYN with the loss of the
final -N
*MIN > MYN >
FYN > FY
whereas YN is the same word with the loss of the initial consonant
*MIN > MYN >
FYN > YN

In the first person plural, YN is the original form.
The spelling EIN was devised partly to differentiate the
possessive determiner YN from the preposition YN = in,
and partly to suggest the supposed derivation.
EIN is pronounced as YN except in very formal contexts, where
a spelling pronunciation has taken over


In the second person singular, both the written and the spoken
language have DY

In the second person plural, the original YCH has become EICH
in the written language, partly to distinguish it from
YCH = you are, and again to suggest the supposed Latin connection
EICH is pronounced as YCH except in very formal contexts,
where a spelling pronunciation has come to be used

In the third person singular, the original form was I,and EI was introduced partly to distinguish the determiner from the preposition I = to, and partly to denote its imagined Latin connection. EI is pronounced as I except in very formal contexts where a spelling pronunciation has
developed.

In the third person plural, the original form U
was respelt as EU to show the presumed Latin connection.
In
South Wales the vowels U and I are pronounced the same.
EU is pronounced as U, except in very formal contexts where
the spelling pronunciation has become acceptable.

 

MUTATIONS AFTER THE POSSESSIVE DETERMINERS

in both the written and the spoken languages the possessive determiners

cause mutation of the following consonant

···

SOFT MUTATION: c/g p/b t/d g/- b/f d/dd m/f ll/l rh/r

DY = your (singular), and EI = his

···
NASAL MUTATION: c/ngh p/mh t/nh g/ng b/m d/n

FY = my

···

SPIRANT MUTATION: c/ch p/ph t/th

EI = her

···

'H' MUTATION: (an aspirate before a vowel)

a/ha e/he i/hi o/ho u/hu w/hw y/hy

EI = her, EIN = our, EU = their

 

It is usual to add a pronoun to the noun
following the determiner
(The precise conditions for including the pronoun and omitting it
will be studied later on)
So we find the paradigm as follows:

YN...  i

YN... -NI

DY... -TI

YCH... -CHI

I... -E

I... -HI

U... -NW

 

possessive determiners: FY this causes the spirant mutation

EXERCISE: Give the English for:
1 merch
2 mab
3 tad
4 mam
5 brawd
6 chwaer
7 llaw
8 traed
9 pen
10 corff

ANSWERS
1 fy merch
2 fy mab
3 fy nhad
4 fy mam
5 fy mrawd
6 fy chwaer
7 fy llaw
8 fy nhraed
9 fy mhen
10 fy nghorff

EXERCISE 2
look at these words:
bÿs finger
trwÿn nose
clustiau ears
gwallt hair
plant children

Give the Welsh for:
1 my finger
2 my mother
3 my children
4 my hair
5 my nose
6 my ears
7 my son
8 my head
9 my father
10 my daughter

ANSWERS:
1 my finger = fy mÿs
2 my mother = fy mam
3 my children = fy mhlant
4 my hair = fy ngwallt
5 my nose = fy nhrwÿn
6 my ears = fy nghlustiau
7 my son = fy mab
8 my head = fy mhen
9 my father = fy nhad
10 my daughter = fy merch


Before a vowel, FY becomes F'

FY OCHOR > F'OCHR = my side

But remember that i- and w- are also semi-consonants
in some cases, and so there is not elision
FY INC > F'INC = my ink
but
FY IAITH = my language

FY WYRES > F'WYRES = my grandaughter
but
FY WATSH = my watch

EXERCISE 3: Give the English for:
1 f'arian
2 f'enw
3 f'wÿau
4 f'uchelgais
5 f'ysgwÿddau
6 f'esgidiau
7 f'ymennÿdd
8 fy iechÿd
9 f'esgÿrn
10 f'afal

 

ANSWERS:
1 f'arian = my money
2 f'enw = my name
3 f'wÿau = my eggs
4 f'uchelgais = my ambition
5 f'ysgwÿddau = my shoulders
6 f'esgidiau = my shoes
7 f'ymennÿdd = my brain
8 fy iechÿd = my health
9 f'esgÿrn = my bones
10 f'afal = my apple

EXERCISE 4 Look at these words:
amser = time
hawliau = rights
ewÿthr = uncle
oedran = age
pentref = village
tref = town

Give the Welsh for:
1 my name
2 my time
3 my age
4 my uncle
5 my language
6 my village
7 my town
8 my mother
9 my shoes
10 my rights

ANSWERS
1 my name - f'enw
2 my time - f'amser
3 my age - f'oedran
4 my uncle - f'ewÿthr
5 my language - fy iaith
6 my village - fy mhentref
7 my town - fy nhref
8 my mother - fy mam
9 my shoes -f'esgidiau
10 my rights - fy hawliau


Now let's look at the spoken forms:
YN is used before consonants and vowels
Y is used before the mutated forms of C-, P-, T-
the corresponding pronoun suffix is added
except with members of the family or friends

Compare:

LITERARY SPOKEN

afal

f'afal

yn afal i

arian

f'arian

yn arian i

braich

fy mraich

y mraich i

bag

fy mag

y mag i

calon

fy nghalon

y nghalon i

corff

fy nghorff

y nghorff i

dillad

fy nillad

y nillad i

dannedd

fy nannedd

y nannedd i

esgyrn

f'esgyrn

yn esgyrn i

enw

f'enw

yn enw i

ffrindiau

fy ffrindiau

yn ffrinde (no suffix)

fflat

fy fflat

yn fflat i

gwddf

fy ngwddf

y ngwddwg i

gwallt

fy ngwallt

y ngwallt i

het

fy het

yn hat i

heol

fy heol

yn hewl i

inc

f'inc

yn inc i

iaith

fy iaith

yn iaith i

jam

fy jam

yn jam i

jar

fy jar

yn jar i

lamp

fy lamp

yn lamp i

llais

fy llais

yn llais i

mam

fy mam

y mam (no suffix)

modrwÿ

fy modrwy

y modrwy i

neges

fy neges

yn neges i

nodÿn

fy nodÿn

yn nodÿn i

ochr

f'ochr

yn ochr i

oedran

f'oedran

yn oedran i

pen blwÿdd

fy mhen blwÿdd

y mhen blwÿdd

pentref

fy mhentref

y mhentre

rhan

fy rhan

yn rhan i

rhif

fy rhif

yn rhif i

swper

fy swper

yn swper i

safon

fy safon

yn safon i

traed

fy nhraed

y nhraed i

talcen

fy nhalcen

y nhalcen i

uchelgais

f'uchelgais

yn uchelgais i

undeb

f'undeb

yn undeb i

watsh

fy watsh

yn watsh i

wythfed

f'wythfed

yn wythfed i

ysgwydd

f'ysgwydd

yn ysgwydd i

ymdrechion

f'ymdrechion

yn ymdrechion i

 

In rapid speech,
YN after a vowel is elided to N
gwella yn safon i > gwella'n safon i

 

Y before M or N is dropped
the mutation indicates that the missing word could only be
the first person possessive determiner
Gaf i dicyn o fara, Nhad?
da iawn, y machgen i > da iawn, machgen i

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The possessive determiner (penodwr meddiannol) in Welsh
has the following forms in the literary language:

first person:
FY [vø] = my
EIN [ein] = our

second person:
DY [dø] = your (singular familiar form)
EICH [eikh] = your (singular polite form) and your (plural form)

third person:
EI [ei] = her / his / its
EU [ei] = their

 
All these precede the noun. Some cause mutation of the following initial.
(1) no mutation: eich
(2) before a vowel, h prefixed: ein, ei = her, eu
(3) soft mutation: dy, ei = his
(4) nasal mutation: fy
(5) aspirate mutation: ei = her


eich tad = your father; dy dad = your father; fy nhad = my father; ei dad = his father; ei thad = her father; eu tad = their father; ein tad = our father

ein hewÿthr = our uncle; ei hewÿthr = her uncle; eu hewÿthr = their uncle

···

SOFT MUTATION affects nine consonants: c/g p/b t/d g/- b/f d/dd m/f ll/l rh/r
DY = your
EI = his

CAR = cotxe,
DY GAR = your car, EI GAR = his car
PAPUR = paper,
DY BAPUR = your paper, EI BAPUR = his paper
TŸ = casa,
DY DŸ = your house, EI DŸ = his house
GARDD = jardí,
DY ARDD, D'ARDD (contraction of DY ARDD) = your garden, EI ARDD = his garden
BRAWD = brother,
DY FRAWD = your brother, EI FRAWD = his brother
DEFAID = sheep,
DY DDEFAID = your sheep, EI DDEFAID = his sheep
MAM = mother,
DY FAM = your mother, EI FAM = his mother
LLAIS = voice,
DY LAIS = your voice, EI LAIS = his voice
RHIENI = parents,
DY RIENI = your parents, EI RIENI = his parents

Other consonants are not affected:
FFRIND = friend,
DY FFRIND = your friend, EI FFRIND = his friend
SIOP = shop,
DY SIOP = your shop, EI SIOP = his shop

Vowels are not affected:
ARIAN = money,
D'ARIAN = your money, EI ARIAN = his money(note the contraction of DY to D' before a vowel)=

···

SPRIANT MUTATION affects six consonants:

The six-consonant mutation with the following changes:

c/ngh p/mh t/nh g/ng b/m d/n

FY = my
CI = dog, FY NGHI = my dogy
PEN = head, FY MHEN = my head
TROED = foot, FY NHROED = my foot
GÊN = jaw, chin, FY NGÊN = my jaw
BRAICH = arm, FY MRAICH = my arm
DANNEDD = teeth, FY NANNEDD = my teeth

Before other consonants there is no change:

CHWAER = sister, FY CHWAER = my sisiter
FFEIL = file, FY FFEIL = my file
RHAFF = rope, FY RHAFF = my rope

Before vowels there is no change,
though FY is contracted to F'
INCWM = income, F'INCWM = my income

 

ASPIRATE MUTATION affects three consonants:

c/ch p/ph t/th

EI = her
CATH = cat, EI CHATH = her cat
PAROT = parrot, EI PHAROT = her parrot
TAD = father, EI THAD = her father

Before other consonants there is no change:
MAM = mother, ei mam = her mother
LLWŸ = spoon, EI LLWŸ = her spoon
 

Prefixed h
An h- is prefixed before a vowel after
EIN = our
EI = her
EU = their

ARIAN = money,
EIN HARIAN = our money
EI HARIAN = her moneyEU HARIAN = their money

other examples:
EI HESGIDIAU = her shoes,
EIN HIAITH = our language,                
EU HOFFER = their tools,
EU HUNDEB = their union,
EI HWŸRES = her grand-daughter,
EIN HYSGOL = our school, etc
 
Each of the possessive determiners has a corresponding pronoun tag. This
is a form of the personal pronoun which, in certain circumstances, is attached after
the noun. It is unstressed.

first person:
FY ----- I my
EIN ----- NI             our

second person:
DY ----- DI              your
EICH ----- CHI your

third person:
EI ----- HI                her
EI ----- EF               his
EU ----- HWŸ          their


FY NGHATH FACH or FY NGHATH FACH I = my kitten
EIN IAITH or EIN HIAITH NI = our language
DY GAR or DY GAR DI = your car
EICH ARDAL or EICH ARDAL CHI = your district
EI SWŸDD or EI SWŸDD HI = her job
EI BLANT or EI BLANT EF = his children
EU PENTREF or EU PENTREF HWŸ = their village

When two nouns are used together, the suffix
is placed only after the final noun:
EU CWN [kuun] A'U CATHOD HWŸ = their dogs and cats

 

Adolygiadau diweddaraf: 20 01 2000

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